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A new year means new emails from Mrs. Galpin and Mr. Carlson among others. This is a continuation of the previous page, so the reoccuring themes will be the same.
| From: FortuneCity <feedback@XXXXXXXXXX.com> To: bengalcatt@XXXXXXXXXXX.com Cc: Subject: Re: FW: Copyright Infringement and Libel on your site Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 13:06:19 -0600 Dear Ms. Galpin: I am copying the site owner on this message. Dear Site Owner: Please remove the file /images/mymarblekitten.jpg from your site. It is our policy to insist on removal of images where there is dispute concerning their copyright. Also, please remove the comments regarding Ms. Galpin from the page bengal.html. If we receive legal communication regarding this, we will have no option but to remove the page ourselves. Regards The FortuneCity Team At 10:49 AM 3/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: -----Original Message----- >Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:17 AM ><copyright@XXXXXXXX.com> >Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 10:39 PM >> to get to these photos you have to go to " My Beginning" for the >first >> photo on the left side of her site. Her caption to help you locate the >> aforementioned photos says, "This is my mother. Her name is Keek." >> >> >> The second copyrighted infringement is located (on the left click "A New >> Little Brother" The caption directly under the photo says, "I remembered >my >> friend Becca from the cattery. They were bringing one of her kittens back. >> At least it wouldn't be someone I knew, that way I could train him from >the >> start!" The properties of that photo are >> http://members.fortunecity.com/thekatiediaries/images/mymarblekitten.jpg >> >> This is the URL to one of them which is hosted by you is >> >> http://members.fortunecity.com/thekatiediaries/ and her email address on >> that site is >> >> katiecat@XXXXXXXXXXX.com >> >> On her site hosted by you I have copied and pasted what she says about me >> and if you want to see the libelous remarks yourself you have to go to the >> site listed below and click on the left where it says, " About Bengals" >and >> then scroll to the bottom of the site. >> http://members.fortunecity.com/thekatiediaries/ >> >> This is what she says: >> >> Unfortunately, there are breeders out there, who do not have the best >> interests of the animals in mind. They are in it for the money, or some >> other poor excuse, and sell less than healthy animals to anyone who will >pay >> their prices. They usually shy away from putting anything in writing, and >> will say one thing and do another. I've put in a link to help find a good >> breeder, and also linked to several good breeders that I know personally. >> However, I also would like to add this section called: BAD BREEDERS to >help >> unwary buyers, and innocent would be bengal owners stay clear of them. >These >> are breeders that I've either had personal experience with, or had >> documented evidence of. These are not just isolated incidents. Steer away >> from them to help discourage these inhumane practices! All in all, if you >> find that you are uncomfortable with something the best thing to do is >walk >> away. Wait a little longer to get the healthy friend you want from a >breeder >> you can have a lasting friendship with. >> >> >> >> Diane Galpin - India ink Bengals of Washington State. >> This is the breeder I got my two bengals from. Not only was it possibly >> the worst experience of my life to do business with this woman, but she >kept >> demanding more money with absolutely no refunds. Before I knew it, I was >> either out all the money I had "deposited" or had to spend hundreds more >to >> get my cat. She also had hidden expenses, and I got no reciepts (except >for >> one which I had to fight to get), or written proof of anything from her, >> including the health certificate. She said on her website that she >> guarantees health, but both my cats came to me sick, and full of >parasites. >> We had more expenses with repeated vet visits just to get them healthy. >> Katie's fluxating patella is a genetic defect, so all cats in the same >line >> have the defect or carry it. Health and betterment of the breed are, in my >> opinion, not her top priorities. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> Diane Galpin >> >> ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤øø¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤ >> http://www.XXXXXXXXXXX.com >> >> >> >> >> |
This is a combination of emails, but they all contribute. The first email, the one sent by FortuneCity will be referred to as E-Mail 1, the email right under that, the first forwarded email will be referred to as E-Mail 2, and finally the second forwarded or attached email will be referred to as E-Mail 3.
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Notice the tone difference in the emails sent to FortuneCity and the ones sent to us (E-Mail 1 vs. E-Mail 2 and 3). The ones in FortuneCity try to portray Mrs. Galpin as a victim and that she has no prior knowledge of the incidents, compared to the ones to us that are bullying and threatening.
I particularly like the line in the first referenced email where Mrs. Galpin writes: "The problem is, this is a black and white issue. I am right and you are not enforcing your rules." Not enforcing the rules? There are no rules broken! If you would like to see rules that are broken, visit Ethics Code Violations
I also like this line: "I beg you to please read my long letter that took me a long time to write"
The E-Mail3 has the following lines:
| From: Bengalcatt@XXXXXXXXXX.com To: katiecat@XXXXXXXXXXX.com Cc: westernhorizons@XXXXXXXXXXX.com Subject: If you are a breeder, and wish to be included in this list, email me. Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 03:46:52 EST Julie, I see you received an email from Fortunecity.com about your libel and copyright infringement. They sent me a copy of the letter written to you. My attorney is doing the preliminary preparation for my lawsuit against you. This suit is going to include fortunecity and tripod, unless they enforce their rules they set forth beforehand, which it appears the aforementioned Fortunecity host will not be involved in this suit because they stated that if they get a letter from an attorney, they will shut your site down unless you have relented about about the libel and the copyright infringement. Thankfully Fortunecity is taking this serious. I have given my attorney's email address (which you have because freedomfighter33@XXXXXXXXXXX.com emailed him) and phone number so they can verify that he's an attorney and that he's representing me as your so-called Tom Carpenter did .. This is your last and final email from me on this matter. Take me serious. Court proceedings are being planned and I have spent quite a bit of money on this. I am willing to drop it, if you'll take all references of me... My name and my cattery name off of your sites. You can make your statement about bad breeders but leave it generic. Also you can leave the photos of Becca and of Katie when she was a baby if you'll take this off. There are "Bad Breeders" out there but I am not one of them. You and I had a bad situation happen but as many people as I deal with, you are definitely a minority. When you are shut down on tripod and fortunecity, I know you plan to find a new host but this time you will have an injunction from the court telling you that you can not do this if it includes any reference to me or my cattery and if it has photos that I either emailed you or you copied from my site. I may EVEN have sent you photos of Katie when she was a baby in an email (although that photo was on my site) but it does not matter, I did not give you permission to put it on your site. If you had asked my permission, I would have said that certainly you could put the photos on your site but NOT if I knew that you would defame me as you did. Court proceedings will be here in Benton County in WA. State. You can resolve this if you acquiesce. I have never liked being enemies with you or any person I have ever met in my life as I have proven when your (another so-called) Bob Jones at MarsFace@XXXXXXXXX.net found out when you or he (whoever this person really is) apologized around the 1st of January. I accepted the apology and was thrilled that an apology had been given. At that time, I didn't know that this person knew you but I was beginning to suspect. I believe that his IP was traced to Colorado or maybe one of the other emails I received that were related to you were from there. I can't remember and I don't want to look it up right now, I'm leaving this up to my investigator. To be honest, I have not liked finding out that I angered you so. Most all of my buyers are happy with me whether you believe this or not. Those people that signed your guestbook, which I did a screen print of, before you erased it, were real buyers of mine that like me and are happy with me and defended me. I must admit, my brother did not ever buy a cat from me and he did sign your guestbook but he did love Katie the most of any cat I've ever owned and he even had her live with him for a while before I had ever had her spayed. Katie loved me as much as she loves you. You have a completely wrong impression about me and my cattery. Many catteries are not concerned with the happiness of their cats. Julie, I do not even kill bugs because I do not like to see things suffer. I have been this way since I was a child. I save worms that are on the side walks and other ridiculous things (ridiculous to other people). I did spend every bit of money that I told MarsFace I spent. That addition to the house, which matched our house had a cat door for the cat to come into the inside. That added alot to the cost. And do you know how much it costs to have all of that concrete poured? Obviously you do not because you seem to question my cost. Many catteries will not spend that kind of money to make their stud happy. Also I only breed my cats usually until they are 2 or 3 years old. The oldest one was Goldie and she was 4 when I retired her. Many breeders breed until they're 10 years of age. You did not win your case against me that you sent to TIBCS. I also received the TICA Outstanding Cattery award, which you can now see the award on my site. It was strange that I was not contacted about your complaint by TIBCS until I had already had a Veterinarian come to do this inspection. It was such a coincidence. I had contacted this Veterinarian a year ago and inquired about having him to come my house over a year ago but I had put it off and finally decided I wanted to have this award on my site. I believe you have his phone number, since TIBCS sent you the results of my cattery inspection and his phone number is on there. Why don't you verify what I'm saying and call him and ask him if Diane Galpin did indeed ask him about him coming to my cattery about a year ago. He remembers this because when he came finally, we spoke about my asking him to do this a year ago. His name is John Achord. Truly Julie... I am not happy about the fact that I made you so angry. You never once complained to me about the illness you claim your marbled kitty had and you should have if it was the truth. I still do not believe it to be true. I also did tell you about Katie's Luxatinig Patella before I ever received a dime from you. I was fair about that and honest. There is so much about breeding that you do not know about and there is so much about Bengals you do not know about and I'll give you an example. Bengals often have blood in the feces. Many vets freak out about this but since you're on the Bengals-l list, you've probably seen this "blood in stool" in the subject come up numerous times. It's something that us breeders have never figured out so we don't worry about it. I am writing this because I am a nice person and I want to defend myself one last time and give you one last chance.. You do not think I'm nice and I do not think you're nice either but I am opened minded enough to know that sometimes people I didn't like in the past, I found I liked them alot when I got to know them. I'm glad you have Katie and Shimbleshanks (not sure how that is spelled). I know you're a good mommy for them, that is obvious to me. Good luck and I wish things hadn't turned out this way...honestly... I'll probably see you in court...and I'm sorry about this but I have to do this because I care so much about my reputation as a breeder. Diane Galpin |
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"This suit is going to include fortunecity and tripod, unless they enforce their rules they set forth beforehand" No rules were broken, therefore, there is no need to enforce them.
"I have given my attorney's email address (which you have because freedomfighter33@XXXXXXXXXXX.com emailed him) and phone number so they can verify that he's an attorney and that he's representing me as your so-called Tom Carpenter did " What? What is the point of telling us she gave them this guys info if she is not going to share?
"This is your last and final email from me on this matter. " Don't I wish! Don't hold your breath!
The contradictions are abundant in this email. Let me point them out for you:
| From: Bengalcatt@XXXXXXX.com To: katiecat@XXXXXXXXXXX.com
Cc: westernhorizons@XXXXXXXXXXX.com Subject: Julie...Thanks...Went to your
site this morning Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:10:49 EST
Thank you very much for taking my name and cattery name off of your sites. I went to look because my attorney is or was going to send off the letters today to you, tripod and fortunecity. I will get in touch with him now and tell him not to bother. Thank you so very much. You may feel like you lost here but I do not look at it that way at all. This was not a contest for me. If you knew me better, I truly think you never would have put that up to begin with. It was just a horrible thing that happened and I'm truly sorry about Katie's luxating patella. I must say though from perusing your site that she is getting the best care from you that is humanly possible and I'm very glad you have those two kitties. I loved and still love Katie (didn't know the marble as long) so very much. Again, thanks. Diane Galpin |
| From: "Katie Crumrine" <katiecat@XXXXXXXXXXX.com> To: diane@XXXXXXXXXXX.com Cc: chris@XXXXXXXXXXX.com, christopherswaby@XXXXXXXXXXX.com, feedback@XXXXXXXXX.com Subject: Let's settle this once and for all Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:29:50 -0500 Diane, I would like to clear up a few things that you said in your last two emails to me, which I did not receive until AFTER I modified my website. Your threats of lawsuits do not scare me, because you will not win. The only possible way for you to win a libel suit is if I were lying, which you even admitted in your last emails that I am not. I never set out to be enemies with you. In fact, the horrible treatment I received at your hands really honestly astounded me. I had no idea why you would want to be so condescending and rude to someone you didn't even know. Believe me you DO NOT know me. You've stated in emails that I don't know you and that you're really a nice person. In my entire experience with you, I cannot come up with one example that you've been nice to me. You've stated that most of your buyers have been happy with you. It must be because they asked no questions and forked over as much cash as you asked without reservation. The only time you've ever been tolerably polite to me is when I didn't ask any questions. For your information: Most breeders encourage questions from buyers about the cats, the breed, and their cattery. If, as you've stated, you loved Katie so very much, why did you sell her in the first place? Barring any arguments on that, why didn't you know her favorite food, toy, and pastime when I asked? I know all this about her. As well as the fact that she's very possessive, and doesn't like to share. Least of all share attention. She is happy with us, but she would've been satisfied as an only cat since she could've had all the attention to herself. Just to stay clear, I am not suggesting that I don't want Katie, and I'm very happy with her and her personality. However, I am not happy with the fact that her knee is a permanent and progressive disease which you said would "probably go away" after her spay operation. This incurs many costly medical bills that I had no way of knowing about beforehand. I wrote to you several times telling you of both Katie’s and Skimbleshank's medical condition and requesting that you send us your vet's name and address so we could request Katie's medi cal records. You ignored my requests. I could only conclude that Katie had never been to a vet for her knee problem and I had to pay for all the tests to be done myself. I love all animals and I firmly believe that they deserve to have medical care and attention when they need it. Just like people. This is why your statement of affinity to bugs and worms as an example of how you loved animals rankled me so. Because you follow that up with: "There is so much about breeding that you do not know about and there is so much about Bengals you do not know about and I'll give you an example. Bengals often have blood in the feces. Many vets freak out about this but since you're on the Bengals-l list, you've probably seen this "blood in the stool" in the subject come up numerous times. It's something that us breeders have never figured out so we don't worry about it." First of all, I would like to point out that blood in the stool is a symptom for Internal parasites, Digestional tract problems, and litter choice problems among other things. All of the aforementioned conditions are progressive and can lead to death. If my vet "freaks out" about something I think I'd listen to her before you since she's been through medical school and knows more about it than you do. Also, I find it appalling that you show such callous disregard for the comfort and well being of the animals under your care as to "not worry about it". I have noticed the subject come up in the Bengals-l list and most of the responses imply that these breeders DO in fact worry about it and most of the time conclude that it's the litter. If you don't understand that clumping litter especially has the capacity to kill, then you haven't talked to a lot of breeders on the list. I do not, nor did I ever care about the size and money that you spent on your "outdoor cat pens". I don't know why you bring this up every time you contact me. I never said they were small. I don't believe I ever said anything about them. Nor do I care how much it costs to pour concrete. If you care more about the cost of concrete than giving your cats medical care, THAT speaks volumes in and of itself. I recall seeing the pens, and thinking they were exposed to the weather, AND that they smelled Horribly of cat urine. All the cats in the pens were immediately jumping against the wire and crying loudly to us. I also recall you telling me that the queens stayed out there unless they had a litter, and that Katie hated going out there and that's one of the reasons you decided to pet her out. Through observations of my own I understand that Katie doesn't particularly like being outdoors and she is VERY sensitive to colder temperatures because of her knee. If what you told me is n ot true, maybe you should try telling the truth to your buyers. Also, you didn't tell me about Katie's medical condition until AFTER I sent you the check. You say you're doing this because "I care so much about my reputation as a breeder". You constantly slander, libel, and condescend me to anyone with whom you're speaking to, making up stories, lying and twisting the facts to make yourself look like the victim. You harass, threaten, and degrade, me, my family, friends, and business associates, and acquaintances on my guestbook. You seem to have no qualms in trying to ruin Katie's reputation and mine, when we are the ones telling the truth. Then you tell me if I knew you better that I wouldn't have written that in the first place. Tell me where it is that I should've thought you were a nice person and that I'm wrong about you? When in all this barrage that you've sent me should I think that your mob-like scare tactics qualify you as an honest and reputable person, let alone breeder? If you have such a "good reputation" then why are you so afraid of one bad review? No matter what you say or have said, my experience with you was and continues to be a bad one. Harassment and threats do not change my mind. I have to conclude that anyone in the past who had a bad experience with you has been bullied into silence and you continue to pretend to be the one perfect breeder out there. So, don't worry I don't feel as if I've lost anything. In fact, I think you're the one who is the loser. I know that despite anything you say against me, I am not a bad person, and I really don't care whom you try to convince otherwise, because everyone who knows me, understands that I am a good person. They also know about how you're treating me and no one that I've spoken to thinks that you are behaving as an ethical breeder would. In all my comments I've stuck to the facts and my experience, and kept to myself all the petty little comments I have about you. You've tried to goad me into small minded arguments over my religion, friends, knowledge, age, and other things. Those things have nothing to do with our business together, or my buying experience. If, as you express in your last email, you truly want to resolve this conflict then here is what I suggest: 1. You refund my unexpected medical expenses for both Katie and Skimbleshanks as per the agreement that your cats are sold healthy, and free of genetic defect. The cost is somewhere in the thousands of dollars spent and to be spent, but I'll settle for $1,000.00 2. You truly apologize for the way you have and are treating me, both to myself, and to the bengals-l list where you made me out to be a vindictive criminal. 3. No more harassing and threatening emails will be sent to my business account or my personal ones, and Katie's guestbook will remain free of disparaging and rude comments. 4. You take your cats to the vet when they need medical attention and don't just assume nothing is wrong because other animals in the breed experience the same symptoms. 5. You send a letter of apology to Chris Starkey at 250x.com for the harassment and threats and constant strain you put him through, as he was an innocent party in this matter. 6. You refrain from contacting any of my web hosting agents ever again without first sending to me any concern you have with content on my website; written in a polite tone with no threats involved. 7. Your absence from ever visiting Katie's website again would be appreciated as you never seem to enjoy or appreciate the work and quality entertainment that is provided there. If you do the above, I would be willing to do the following: 1. I will take down the website detailing my experience with you and all and any comments that specifically state your name/cattery. 2. I will refrain from ever posting to message boards, or mailing lists about my bad experience with you. 3. I will take your name off my bad breeder list leaving just a general statement about bad breeders. 4. I will post on the bengals-l list and to yourself that my experience was possibly a fluke and doesn't necessarily reflect all of your business dealings. I sincerely hope we can resolve and conclude this unpleasantness. Julie Crumrine -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup |
Julie writes to Mrs. Galpin and her alleged lawyer, the email address obtained from the previous email sent from FortuneCity and gives her some terms. Let's settle this, once and for all. You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. You stop harassing and threatening, I'll take down the comments. You take responsibility for the sickness of the cats, and I'll take down the comments. Not unreasonable if you ask me.
| From: TropicalTrvl@XXXXXXX.com To: katiecat@XXXXXXXXXXX.com Cc: Subject: Re: Let's settle this once and for all Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 02:31:05 EST Julie, why didn't you know her favorite food, I forgot to answer this question about food. I feed my cats Innova cat food only Julie. This cat food has the most protein content than any other cat food, including Iams. It also has anti-oxidants, eggs and many other things that I have found makes a big difference in the sheen of their coat. It's also the most expensive but I have found they eat less and poop less because it is such good food that they get what vitamins they need by eating less of this food as compared to some of the cheaper foods, where they have to eat more to get the same amount of vitamins. They also poop less because there aren't fillers in this cat food. I do not often give them scraps of food because I have read that it really isn't good for a couple of reasons. One of the reasons is that once they start getting this other fun food, the often will wait all day long for this and not eat the food that has the vitamins in it. I have read that this can happen so I do not give them too many scraps of food. Maybe you're talking about the kind that is bought in a pet store that's just a treat.. I'm not sure what you are giving as a favorite food. toy, and pastime when I asked? Ya know....if I didn't answer this question I should have when you asked the first time because I do know what all bengals love, including Katie. They love the feather toy. They also love that round plastic thing where the ball goes around in a circle and it has cardboard in the middle where they can sharpen their claws. They also love those little mice but they REALLY love the ones with real fur but that bothers me because it's REAL fur and I know an animal died to make that toy. I don't know if you asked me that question that first night when you were here or in a later email but if it was that first night, I must say that things were tense for me because I am intuitive and I felt an attitude from the get-go and so did Greg. I know all this about her. As well as the fact that she's very possessive, and doesn't like to share. Least of all share attention. She is happy with us, but she would've been satisfied as an only cat since she could've had all the attention to herself. I have had many people buy one bengal from me. The people that work and are gone full time end up coming back (not all of course but some do) to get another playmate for their cat. Maybe Katie is different but I couldn't have known that since I had a cattery and couldn't really experiment with what she liked or disliked. As I said, I have cut down on my amount of cats and it's much better this way....better for me and for the cats. Just to stay clear, I am not suggesting that I don't want Katie, and I'm very happy with her and her personality. However, I am not happy with the fact that her knee is a permanent and progressive disease which you said would "probably go away" after her spay operation. I am sorry her luxating patella didn't clear up. I feel bad for Katie. I was not being dishonest with you on purpose. As I stated, the only other cat that ever had it, only had it when she was pregnant and I spayed her and she was fine after that. That was the only experience I had ever had with this problem and I figured Katie would get better as the other cat had. I love all animals and I firmly believe that they deserve to have medical care and attention when they need it. Just like people. This is why your statement of affinity to bugs and worms as an example of how you loved animals rankled me so. Because you follow that up with: Julie... Recently my older sister, Sharon (not Debbie) had her cat euthanized for a reason that I absolutely disagreed with. It wasn't a Bengal. I was soooo upset at her for this and in fact she kept it a secret from me for a while because she knows how I am. I just recently went to the pound and retrieved a girlfriend's dog out of the pound because she honestly did not care and didn't want to pay the $100 to get him out. I paid for the bill (but she did pay me back).. Then Greg fixed her back yard so that he won't get put in the pound ever again. My girlfriend's name is Tracy and I was angry with her for not caring. Another thing Tracy did was to ignore a growth he had on his stomach for about 6 months. It was about 8 inches long, it was weird looking and I kept telling Tracy that if he gets that dangling growth caught in something, he'll bleed to death. She finally had it removed. I can give you so many instances to prove to you that you have me entirely wrong and I wish I could only convince you of this. I don't know why I care, but I do. I would think at my age I would have learned by now not to care so much about what people think or say about me but I still do. Something I definitely need to work on. First of all, I would like to point out that blood in the stool is a symptom for Internal parasites, Digestional tract problems, and litter choice problems among other things. Where did you learn all of this Julie? I have NEVER seen these listed on the listserv before. I don't know how much blood you're talking about. Maybe we're speaking of differing amounts of blood. Yes if there's lots of blood, there's probably a problem but occasionally in some of my cats there has been a minute amount of blood and years ago I posted to the listserv about it and the general consensus was that every breeder has come across this and had tests run and found nothing to be wrong. All of the aforementioned conditions are progressive and can lead to death. If my vet "freaks out" about something I think I'd listen to her before you since she's been through medical school and knows more about it than you do. I've had many conversations with bengal breeders where stories have been told that with all of their years of experience, they knew the prognosis of a problem that their vet never guessed. That listserv, with all of the collective amount of breeders with all of their years experience together is a great source of information and I dare say, they often know more about bengals than vets do. Also, vets are in a business and want to make money. You may not agree but it's a fact. Also, I find it appalling that you show such callous disregard for the comfort and well being of the animals under your care as to "not worry about it". I have noticed the subject come up in the Bengals-l list and most of the responses imply that these breeders DO in fact worry about it and most of the time conclude that it's the litter. I have never read a post where they blamed it on the litter. I have ONLY seen posts where pretty much the general concensus was that it's a mystery. I do not, nor did I ever care about the size and money that you spent on your "outdoor cat pens". I don't know why you bring this up every time you contact me. I never said they were small. I don't believe I ever said anything about them. Nor do I care how much it costs to pour concrete. If you care more about the cost of concrete than giving your cats medical care, THAT speaks volumes in and of itself. I did spend a lot of money for my huge cage and addition to my house and even made the addition match my house. I also have spent as much money on every single cat of mine that ever needed medical attention, even Katie. I did have x-rays done and found that a possible surgery might fix it but the vet also agreed that hormones play a part of this problem....the ligaments stretch when they're pregnant and nursing and tighten back up, which makes the patella not luxate because the ligaments are tighter when they are no longer pregnant or nursing. You can find this on the net by doing a search. I have found it already but was told this by the vet and wanted to check on the net to make sure. I recall seeing the pens, and thinking they were exposed to the weather, The pens were exposed to the weather but they have an indoor area to go into when they want. AND that they smelled Horribly of cat urine. GEEZ Julie...maybe I needed to spray the cattery out.. I don't know.. I do it often and maybe you caught me at a time when it needed to be done. I know that despite anything you say against me, I am not a bad person, and I really don't care whom you try to convince otherwise, because everyone who knows me, understands that I am a good person. They also know about how you're treating me and no one that I've spoken to thinks that you are behaving as an ethical breeder would. Anyone that loves animals the way you do... CAN NOT be a bad person in my mind. And I too am not a bad person. Diane Galpin |
| From: Diane Galpin <bengalcatt@XXXXXXXXXXX.com> To: katiecat@XXXXXXXXXXX.com, chris@XXXXXXXXXXX.com, christopherswaby@XXXXXXXXXXX.com, feedback@XXXXXXXX.com Cc: Subject: Re: Let's settle this once and for all Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:27:20 -0800 I would like it to be known to all of the people I am sending this to that this is the first and ONLY time Julie Crumrine has ever responded to an email of mine. We may have been able to resolve this with alot less mess and in a more timely manner but she chose to ignore me. I would like to clear up a few things that you said in your last two emails to me, which I did not receive until AFTER I modified my website. Your threats of lawsuits do not scare me, because you will not win. The only possible way for you to win a libel suit is if I were lying, which you even admitted in your last emails that I am not. Okay Julie..you put that back on your site and you will be here in court. You think you'll win, I think I'll win but the fact is....you'll be driving here for court. I do not know where in my emails I admit that you are not lying. I have so much more information that you're not aware of Julie that would come up in court which I will not disclose. I never set out to be enemies with you. In fact, the horrible treatment I received at your hands really honestly astounded me. I had no idea why you would want to be so condescending and rude to someone you didn't even know. Believe me you DO NOT know me. You've stated in emails that I don't know you and that you're really a nice person. In my entire experience with you, I cannot come up with one example that you've been nice to me. If I was condescending to you, I do apologize for that. I did not mean to be. You can't come up with an experience with me where I was nice? What about when you emailed me to get the marbled boy's papers after you neutered him? My email to you was civil and I sent the papers immediately to you. You claim on your site that ALL papers from me were hard to get. Your site was not truthful. You've stated that most of your buyers have been happy with you. It must be because they asked no questions and forked over as much cash as you asked without reservation. The only time you've ever been tolerably polite to me is when I didn't ask any questions. For your information: Most breeders encourage questions from buyers about the cats, the breed, and their cattery. Julie, I don't know how many times I should tell you I am sorry for offending you. I have many people that bought cats from me 7 years ago that I am good friends with now that live in the Seattle area. I am not mean or condescending to people but if I was to you then it was unusual. My husband remembered your family very well. The minute your family walked in the front door to get Katie, you appeared to have an attitude, which he remarked about back all those years ago. You all seemed to be angry from the minute you walked into my house. Believe me Julie, I have no impetus for apologizing to you, other than I would just like to clear this up. I do not like feeling hatred or bad feelings towards anyone. I have not lost any of my endeavors when it comes to you, so just know that my apologies are not just words. There is no reason for me to apologize unless I want to. If, as you've stated, you loved Katie so very much, why did you sell her in the first place? I sold her for the price of spaying. I can not, and neither does any other breeder I know keep all of their cats that they had as breeders. Also, I have heard that you thought $92 was too much to charge for spaying. I always "opt" to do the preliminary liver tests before my cats are put under anesthesia, which costs and extra $35. Strange for someone that doesn't care about her cats huh? That is why it was $92. Obviously when you had your black cat spayed or neutered, you opted NOT to have that test taken and maybe that's why it cost you less. The test is taken to determine if the cat can eliminate the ketamine. Many animals die when getting spayed or neutered. Shall I send you receipts showing you that I ALWAYS opt for this preliminary test? Barring any arguments on that, why didn't you know her favorite food, toy, and pastime when I asked? I had more cats then than I have now. If you had as many cats as I had, you may not know as much about their individual likes and dislikes. You only have 3 cats Julie. I am a breeder, there is a difference. And that is one of the reasons I don't breed my cats for very long, even if they're producing show quality kittens. I want them to have a "pet" life, which is admittedly better than a cattery life. I know all this about her. As well as the fact that she's very possessive, and doesn't like to share. Least of all share attention. She is happy with us, but she would've been satisfied as an only cat since she could've had all the attention to herself. Just to stay clear, I am not suggesting that I don't want Katie, and I'm very happy with her and her personality. However, I am not happy with the fact that her knee is a permanent and progressive disease which you said would "probably go away" after her spay operation. I had one other cat that had that problem and it did go away. That cat lives near me and I ask occasionally how she's doing and she no longer limps. I truly thought that it might go away. Since her problem went away, I claim to only have had one cat with this problem and that happens to be Katie. This incurs many costly medical bills that I had no way of knowing about beforehand. I wrote to you several times telling you of both Katie’s and Skimbleshank's medical condition and requesting that you send us your vet's name and address so we could request Katie's medical records. I did take Katie to the vet and had x-rays done. If you want, I will prove it to you but you'll have to call the vet and ask or else I will get the x-rays and send them to you to prove to you that I spent money on her. The x-rays have her name on them. You are ABSOLUTELY incorrect in your statement that I did not take her to the vet. Let me know if you want proof because I can provide it. You ignored my requests. I could only conclude that Katie had never been to a vet for her knee problem and I had to pay for all the tests to be done myself. I do not recall you asking me for Vet records. I can get you her vet records at any time. I do not know why I would have declined to give them to you. I have a problem believing I refused. I love all animals and I firmly believe that they deserve to have medical care and attention when they need it. Just like people. This is why your statement of affinity to bugs and worms as an example of how you loved animals rankled me so. Because you follow that up with: Julie, I had a queen that I was retiring once named CeCe. She fell and when I found her she was almost dead. I wasn't home when she fell and she was bleeding internally. I took her to the vet (on the weekend) and payed $1,200 to save her life. I can prove this. I really want to prove this to you. I would like to refute your terrible ideas about me. Do I have your permission to send you Katie's x-rays and CeCe's Veterinarian bills? "There is so much about breeding that you do not know about and there is so much about Bengals you do not know about and I'll give you an example. Bengals often have blood in the feces. Many vets freak out about this but since you're on the Bengals-l list, you've probably seen this "blood in the stool" in the subject come up numerous times. It's something that us breeders have never figured out so we don't worry about it." Why don't you write a post on Bengals-L and ask the breeders what they do about this blood in the stool? I have been on that listserv for 6 years or so off and on. No one knows why this happens and no one's cat has ever died from this strange dilemma. First of all, I would like to point out that blood in the stool is a symptom for Internal parasites, Digestional tract problems, and litter choice problems among other things. That is ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. You are listening to a vet. The people on the Bengals-L list collectively have much more experience with this peculiar breed called Bengals than your vet does or even a web site you may have read. Remember these are hybrids and not necessarily exactly like regular cats. That's a given and most all breeders agree on that. All of the aforementioned conditions are progressive and can lead to death. If my vet "freaks out" about something I think I'd listen to her before you since she's been through medical school and knows more about it than you do. Also, I find it appalling that you show such callous disregard for the comfort and well being of the animals under your care as to "not worry about it". I have noticed the subject come up in the Bengals-l list and most of the responses imply that these breeders DO in fact worry about it and most of the time conclude that it's the litter. If you don't understand that clumping litter especially has the capacity to kill, then you haven't talked to a lot of breeders on the list. I have seen the posts about clumping litter. It's only speculation that it's bad for cats. Of course it would make sense that the litter would or might clump in their stomachs but so does dirt clump when cats are running in the wild in Africa or if they're an outside cat as a pet. I do not, nor did I ever care about the size and money that you spent on your "outdoor cat pens". I don't know why you bring this up every time you contact me. I never said they were small. Yes you did say my cages were small. I don't believe I ever said anything about them. Nor do I care how much it costs to pour concrete. If you care more about the cost of concrete than giving your cats medical care, THAT speaks volumes in and of itself. I recall seeing the pens, and thinking they were exposed to the weather, AND that they smelled Horribly of cat urine. My Attorney, whom you sent this to has been to my cattery and there is no odor. You are wrong again. Pam Knowles, who used to be the President of TIBCS has been to my house and found it to be a nice cattery. You do not know what you're talking about Julie. You seem to be obsessive. All the cats in the pens were immediately jumping against the wire and crying loudly to us. Yes, my cats love people. Do you know why? Because they spend lots of time in the house with Greg and me. In the Summer though, they take turns going outside more and when human beings go around the cage, they want attention. If, as you have stated, my cats are not socialized well, then why would they love people so much? Seems to me that if I treated my cats as poorly as you appear to believe, they'd hide when humans came around the cage. I also recall you telling me that the queens stayed out there unless they had a litter, and that Katie hated going out there and that's one of the reasons you decided to pet her out. Most of my queens, after they've had a litter, and even when that litter is grown no longer like other queens. They do not get along for some reason after they've become mothers. I DO NOT keep all of my queens outdoors together at the same time because they would fight. There are a few that don't mind other queens and get along with the other's but for the most part, once they've become a mother, their hormones change and they don't want to be with other females, which is different than the cat in Africa where the females stay together. Through observations of my own I understand that Katie doesn't particularly like being outdoors and she is VERY sensitive to colder temperatures because of her knee. If what you told me is not true, maybe you should try telling the truth to your buyers. Also, you didn't tell me about Katie's medical condition until AFTER I sent you the check. Another untruth on your part Julie. How can you say these things and feel good about yourself? You say you're doing this because "I care so much about my reputation as a breeder". You constantly slander, libel, and condescend me to anyone with whom you're speaking to, making up stories, lying and twisting the facts to make yourself look like the victim. You harass, threaten, and degrade, me, my family, friends, and business associates, and acquaintances on my guestbook. You seem to have no qualms in trying to ruin Katie's reputation KATIE'S REPUTATION? Katie did not make that web site Julie. Let's get in the real world here. How can I ruin a cat's reputation? I know you try to make it appear that Katie made that site but come on, I really doubt she knows how to produce a website or type. and mine, when we are the ones telling the truth. You tried to ruin ***MY**** reputation, not the other way around. I didn't produce a website defaming you. Your version of the truth..remember that there is more than one version. Then you tell me if I knew you better that I wouldn't have written that in the first place. Tell me where it is that I should've thought you were a nice person and that I'm wrong about you? When in all this barrage that you've sent me should I think that your mob-like scare tactics qualify you as an honest and reputable person, let alone breeder? If you have such a "good reputation" then why are you so afraid of one bad review? No matter what you say or have said, my experience with you was and continues to be a bad one. Harassment and threats do not change my mind. I have to conclude that anyone in the past who had a bad experience with you has been bullied into silence and you continue to pretend to be the one perfect breeder out there. Julie, you had more than one person emailing me and pretending to be a potential buyer. You started harrassing me after I contacted you about your libelous site. You or one of your cohorts even harrassed my attorney and attempted to chastize him for client/Attorney confidentiality, which was ridiculous because Tom Carpenter was not a client of my Attorney. That was absurd to try to tell my attorney that he had done something wrong, when I was his client not you or Mr. Carpenter (or whoever that really was.) So, don't worry I don't feel as if I've lost anything. In fact, I think you're the one who is the loser. I know that despite anything you say against me, I am not a bad person, and I really don't care whom you try to convince otherwise, because everyone who knows me, understands that I am a good person. They also know about how you're treating me and no one that I've spoken to thinks that you are behaving as an ethical breeder would. I can make the same exact claim. Anyone that knows me, knows how I am with my animals and other people's animals too. I donate money to organizations and save animals all of the time. I am not the loser here either. There is no loser in my opinion, I don't see it that way. I only mentioned it because I was afraid you may think that way. In all my comments I've stuck to the facts and my experience, and kept to myself all the petty little comments I have about you. You're correct there... YOU didn't engage me in BS conversations, you had other people do it for you. You never once answered any of my emails, you had your friends email me instead. You wouldn't try to solve this and answer my emails. I think you like drama. You've tried to goad me into small minded arguments over my religion, friends, knowledge, age, and other things. Those things have nothing to do with our business together, or my buying experience. If, as you express in your last email, you truly want to resolve this conflict then here is what I suggest: SUGGEST???????? Does this mean that I don't have to do it?????? *grin* 1. You refund my unexpected medical expenses for both Katie and Skimbleshanks as per the agreement that your cats are sold healthy, and free of genetic defect. The cost is somewhere in the thousands of dollars spent and to be spent, but I'll settle for $1,000.00 Anytime anyone has ever bought a cat from me or any other breeder, or a dog, they knew that owning an animal comes with possible vet bills. Also, you claim that your cats had mites in their ears. I have probably shipped hundreds of cats in the last 7 years and have to take them to the vet before they're allowed to fly. The airlines require this, unless you carry the animal on with you. I have never EVER had mites in even ONE of my cat's ears. I can only say that possibly (if what you say is correct about the mites) they got the mites after they left my cattery. Again, this can be proven to you. I can have all 3 of my vets write a letter to prove this. 2. You truly apologize for the way you have and are treating me, both to myself, and to the bengals-l list where you made me out to be a vindictive criminal. I will not apologize for telling the Bengals-L that you took me off of the Bengal Webring or anything else I stated. What I stated on there was, as you use as your defense, the truth. 3. No more harassing and threatening emails will be sent to my business account or my personal ones, and Katie's guestbook will remain free of disparaging and rude comments. That will depend on if you keep the libel about me off of your site. The ball is in your court there. 4. You take your cats to the vet when they need medical attention and don't just assume nothing is wrong because other animals in the breed experience the same symptoms. YOU MAKE ME LAUGH ON THIS ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You just do not know me at all, you just think you do. 5. You send a letter of apology to Chris Starkey at 250x.com for the harassment and threats and constant strain you put him through, as he was an innocent party in this matter. He didn't enforce his rules he set forth for people he hosts. His rules are the same ones that Fortunecity.com has and they were going to shut you down. They obviously agreed that you had libeled me. If he doesn't enforce his rules he set down, he deserves harassment or else his other choice is to change his rules or take his rules off of his site. 6. You refrain from contacting any of my web hosting agents ever again without first sending to me any concern you have with content on my website; written in a polite tone with no threats involved. Again, that will be up to you and what you put on your site. 7. Your absence from ever visiting Katie's website again would be appreciated as you never seem to enjoy or appreciate the work and quality entertainment that is provided there. In one of my letters to you, I told you that I thought your site was adorable but that I didn't like the libel. You state I have ALWAYS been condescending and mean or rude. I can send you this email if you'd like. I know you remember that I sent it Julie. You ONLY pretend to have selective memory wouldn't you say or else you don't tell the truth...one or the other. If you do the above, I would be willing to do the following: 1. I will take down the website detailing my experience with you and all and any comments that specifically state your name/cattery. I guess I better look and see if you have put the libelous remarks back on there hadn't I? 2. I will refrain from ever posting to message boards, or mailing lists about my bad experience with you. Didn't know that you had done that.. I guess you're telling on yourself there. 3. I will take your name off my bad breeder list leaving just a general statement about bad breeders. Like I said, I better take a look again. Your libel was gone yesterday morning. If it's back, then we're still on for the suit. 4. I will post on the bengals-l list and to yourself that my experience was possibly a fluke and doesn't necessarily reflect all of your business dealings. Many of the people on the listserv know me already Julie. There was one newbie that emailed me and told me that she had seen this libel years ago and believed you. I responded to her in a question and asked her, "Do you believe everything you read?" She said she now knows she was wrong because she has talked to other breeders that know me and have been to my cattery. You can say whatever you want on the listserv about me, I've been there much longer than you and they will not believe you, especially since many of them know that Pam Knowles (the previous President of TIBCS) and I are friends and she's been to my cattery. When I sent that letter to you the other day, my husband said I was too nice to you. I disagreed with him. I still disagree with him. I can prove to you that I am a humane person. I have apologized for being condescending. If I was it was not on purpose but as I said, my husband noticed an attitude before you even sat down. Maybe you are partially responsible for "my" attitude that night and thereafter with the attitude you projected that first night I met you. Diane Galpin |
| From: Jukka_Järnberg <jjg@XXXXXXXXXXX.com> To: 'Diane Galpin' <bengalcatt@XXXXXXXXXXX.com>, "'katiecat@XXXXXXXXXXX.com'" <katiecat@XXXXXXXXXXX.com>, "'chris@XXXXXXXXXXX.com'" <chris@XXXXXXXXXXX.com>, "'christopherswaby@XXXXXXXXXXX.com'" <christopherswaby@XXXXXXXXXXX.com>, "'feedback@XXXXXXX.com'" <feedback@XXXXXXXX.com> Cc: Subject: RE: Let's settle this once and for all Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:20:06 +0200 To whom it may concern: Mrs Diane Galpin has been my friend since spring 1997. Since then we've discussed together on many media forums, on telephone, by written letters, e-mails, videoconferencing, network short messages, chatted on net. In all those I've got picture of her being very reliable, sensible, but also strong in her feelings. I have never found her to be dishonest or conning - feminine and coy as that sometimes yes but is that a fault with an attractive person. She introduced me literally to cat breed bengals, first by displaying them on video then sending pictures Greatest deed she did, was after I got interested on breed but concluded that I can not afford buying such expensive cats, she did send me first a female bengal cat as a family pet (IndiaInk Sydney) - that happened Nov 1997, and then later next year after my wife and I started to be interested of breeding this wonderful cat breed in Finland, Diane sent us another bengal cat, breeding male (IndiaInk Sampson). She did not ask anything for these for herself, only that we pay the shipping charges - aircargo from where she lives to us in Finland Europe. Does this sound action of person that some other persons are trying to feather & tar on grounds she is liar and has acted wrong somehow. I've visited the web pages where she is accused many things which I find hard to believe, rather I see there an action trying to insult her, an attempt to blacklist her by removing her from certain services, spreading false accusations of her on public forums. I would like to see those false accusations and similar removed and I would prefer public apology from parties involved in accusing Diane Galpin. Jukka Järnberg, SiruCats Bengals Aarnikuja 2, Tampere FIN-33710, FINLAND Tel: 358 3 318 3482 | FAX: 358 3 358 6763 | GSM: 358 40 556 6919 http://www.XXXXXXXXXXX.com | http://www.XXXXXXXXXXX.com/jukka -------------------------------------------------------------------- I've met many thinkers and many cats, but the wisdom of cats is infinitely superior. (Taine, Hippolyte) |
Thank-you for your input. There is no argument that Mrs. Galpin has some happy customers somewhere, be it in country or out.
| From: Diane Galpin <bengalcatt@XXXXXXXXXXX.com> To: katiecat@XXXXXXXXXXX.com Cc: Subject: My attorney is upset with me Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 00:52:05 -0800 Julie, I would rather settle this out of court but my attorney and I just spoke a while ago after he received your letter and he has advised me NOT to email you again. He is advising me due to the nature of your letter which appears you may place these libelous remarks back on your site and this may not be over as I was thinking it was. I have not looked yet to see if you put the libel back on your site. I'm afraid to look. He said I should not have emailed you the first time nor answered your response. I don't regret emailing you and I hope I've cleared some things up but I have to listen to my attorney. I haven't paid him for nothing...and I suppose he knows what's best. He'd probably get upset to know I wrote this letter also. Diane Galpin |
Isn't a lawyer supposed to help settle disputes? Sounds to me like Mrs. Galpin may need a new lawyer!
| From: Diane Galpin <bengalcatt@XXXXXXXXXXX.com> To: katiecat@XXXXXXXXXXX.com, westernhorizons@XXXXXXXXXXX.com Cc: Subject: Went to your site this morning Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:59:18 -0800 Ya know what Julie? You are an obsessive young child-like person. I have decided not to bother with you any longer about your site. Very few people visit your site anyway...and from what my friends say about it when they read it, it comes across as though a child produced the site anyway. Your complaint to TIBCS is so long that the only people that will read it will be your relatives. I didn't even read all of it. To go to as much trouble as you have on your site and the LONG complaint to TIBCS makes me feel sorry for you and the anger you have within yourself. Diane |
How can Mrs. Galpin call someone a "child-like person" right after writing "Ya know what..." and be taken seriously?
Also, if you count all the letters, emails, and guestbook entries, Mrs. Galpin wrote to us, it would be longer than the complaint that we sent in. Who's obssessive?